of thousands of really smart people from all over the world to study. we educated them and gave them experience in working for our companies and innovate like we do. now we're telling them, sorry, we don't have enough visas for you. go back home. they're doing that. tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have already gone back who are now starting companies in india, chien wra and brazil, all over the world. the start-ups and the economic growth that should be here in america is happening abroad because of our mindless immigration policies. you know, we keep talking about the unskilled, undocumented -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead. finish your thought. >> these are the legal -- people here legally. we're talking about doctors, scientists, engineers, researchers, people who came here legally. we brought them in over here. now we're sending them away. >> if you talk about the h-1 visa program, that's a nonimmigrant visa. come here, study, work. it's not a path for a green card. >> exactly. >> do we need to remake the whole system? you want these people to come and stay and invest and live.